Why everyone missed solar's exponential growth
https://www.exponentialview.co/p/the-forecasters-gapBy xbmcuser at
Quothling | 1 comment | 44 minutes ago
I'm not sure which semi-professional to professional investors missed that here in Europe though. In fact we've seen so many companies shoot up around these things that the recent economic downturns is causing quite a lot of bankruptcies. Which are then bought up by larger investment funds.
From a tech perspective... There is going to be a lot of potential in building the technical layer between a plant and the "internet". None of the current systems, including market leaders that I'm not going to name drop, aren't very good. Part of the reason is because things like inverters and other solar plant tech has absolutely no standardization. They are ridiculously different, meaning you need actual programmers to onboard each plant unless someone builds some form of engineering standard. Currently it seems like each piece of tech basically has it's software designed by the individual engineer who made it. What is even more hilarious is that the systems made for solar, wind, batteries and so on don't work together.
qwerki | 0 comments | 31 minutes ago
roenxi | 1 comment | 3 hours ago
Doesn't that mean the forecasters agreed with this gentleman? He bet $1,000 that he is right and nobody wanted to bet against that.
I'll also say that forecasters, by the nature of their role, basically just project status quo forward for whatever their time horizon is. They generally don't have a good vantage point to spot fundamental market shifts. You have to be brave to bet on an exponential trend holding since when they end they end suddenly.
BLKNSLVR | 0 comments | 2 hours ago
- The economic data suggests..
- Economists agree that...
If it relies on history to guess the future, you're mostly going to get history as the result. Somewhat analgous to science progressing on funeral at a time.
Animats | 0 comments | 55 minutes ago
Energy density continues to improve. At some point, one of the half-dozen companies trying to get production cost down for solid-state batteries will probably succeed. That gets about 2x the energy density per unit weight over lithium-ion, plus charging times under 10 minutes. Then fast chargers can replace gas pumps on a one for one basis.
Fixed energy storage doesn't need more density, just lower prices. Lithium iron phosphate batteries are just fine for that. Retail chains with huge flat roofs (Walmart, Target, etc.) are going in heavily for solar and batteries.[2] The power bill for air-conditioning those huge spaces quickly justifies it.
This is now entirely driven by the economics. No more need for subsidies.
[1] https://www.statista.com/chart/23807/lithium-ion-battery-pri...
[2] https://electrek.co/2024/11/19/corporate-america-is-investin...
ggm | 0 comments | 6 hours ago
People want independence from the billing cycle. With the decline in systems reliability overall, having your own solar "feels" like it helps. That absent batteries it may not, and that it also has causative qualities to the systems reliability isn't material. Its what people feel about it.
The fear in the asset holders over being stranded is huge. Down here in Australia unavoidable systems charges are not the majority of most people's bills, as the semi-hemi-private-regulated market operators rush to get profit out of the capex.
If you can afford to go battery+solar, the cost to unbind from the net is also a huge dis-incentive. Better to stay connected, pay service charge, and find an aggregator to arbitrage your load into a value proposition.
The whole "Chyna is stealing our solar lunch" thing is tiresome. If they want to dump solar panels on the world, I say go for it: The more the merrier.
taeric | 0 comments | 55 minutes ago
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tedunangst | 1 comment | 2 hours ago
avip | 0 comments | 16 minutes ago
farseer | 1 comment | 2 hours ago
jillesvangurp | 0 comments | 27 minutes ago
7e | 0 comments | 3 hours ago
grecy | 2 comments | 47 minutes ago
Nobody wants to predict a future they know will be unpopular and make a lot of people angry.
I.e. when I say you won’t even be able to buy a new ICE vehicle on roughly 10 years people get very confrontational and angry
jillesvangurp | 0 comments | 12 minutes ago
But ten years sounds about right for the following things to happen:
- new EVs will be cheaper to buy than ICE vehicles. Right now their cheaper to own. But once prices drop low enough, few people will want to spend more on a lesser vehicle.
- EV production will ramp up to eclipse ICE vehicle production by the end of this decade. More EVs will be produced than ICE vehicles.
- Commercial fleets will be largely electrical for the simple reason it's already cheaper and only getting cheaper. Anger doesn't factor into this. Businesses that don't adapt will go out of business.
- Private owners will follow but a bit slower. Lots of private owners have older vehicles and don't actually drive that much. So, economic drivers are there but not that important for them.
- For the same reason, roads are actually dominated by commercial traffic. Most miles driven will be electric. Most of the intensively used vehicles will be electric. That will become really visible on the roads. It's already very visible in some places.
- That same effect will also impact revenue from petrol/diesel sales. That's already starting to happen as well. This will impact pricing and availability. Which feeds into decision making.
reererer | 2 comments | 14 minutes ago
ars | 0 comments | 56 seconds ago
troupo | 0 comments | 8 minutes ago
With ICE I can drive to the nearest gas station and be done in 5 minutes. With ICE I don't even think about it, I just drive to a station that's on the way to wherever I'm going